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  • Good day everyone. Today I thought about sharing a little nut I've been trying to crack for a while now, regarding Aldia.

    As we all know, Aldia is the "Scholar of the First Sin" and while the scholar part is a given, what exactly the "first sin" was is not.

    Personally, I think it has something to do with the First Flame. Perhaps the initiation of the cycle of light and dark or the Lords stealing the First Flame's power.

    We see what happened to Gwyn when he returned his soul to the flame, and you need all Lord Souls to enter the Kiln. So some kind of force is within the flame. Perhaps Aldia knew about it? Perhaps his research led to a deeper understanding of how the cycle worked, and maybe even a way to revert the world to the Age of Ancients?

    This is just speculation, but it's an interesting topic to discuss. So, if anyone has any other theories, feel free to share.

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    • To remove himself from the great cycle

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    • One of Vaati's theories was that the First Sin was when Gwyn extended the flame and prevented a true age of Dark from occurring, causing the cycle to be stuck in a loop permanently.

      Personally, I think the First Sin was rebelling against the Dragons, killing the only beings outside of the cycle.

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    • I believe it was Gwyn rekindling the First Flame, as he broke the natural course of life by doing it, starting an artificial cycle of Light and Dark, and the human beings were the ones who had to pay for it. But I have also read some theories affirming that the first sin could be the attempt to recreate the First Flame by the Witch of Izalith, since there are some facts in the game that connects Aldia with her. First, because his appearance resembles that of the Bed of Chaos, and second because we can see a couple of Enhanced Undead, which are a creation of Aldia, in Sinner's Rise - the same place we can find the Lost Sinner, who is known to posses the soul of the Witch, and, according to Shalquoir, was trying to light the First Flame.

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    • how does this effect Aldia?

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    • I believe that Gywn wanted to rekindle the first flame because if he didnt then everyone in the world would just wander souless and undead like you see the soilders in the forest of the giants if you do rekindle the flame a new age is reborn with a new monarch and a new king that's why straid of olaphis says rekindle the flame or not it is all a curse countless kingdoms fall and rise whether or not the chosen one decides to rekindle the flame thats where the darksign comes into play the dark sign collects souls from everybody in drangleic or anor londo and when it collect enough a new chosen one rises to rekindle the flame and become monarch again... but thats is just a theory my theory that why wether or not you choose to link the flame or not in dark souls 2 somebody else eventually came along "king vendrick" and relinked the flame until he found out nthe truth and just isolated himself in the undead crypt that is why you see him walking around undead because he doesnt want to link the flame again and have a dark sign he'd rather be souless than try to cure the darksign by devouring countless souls

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    • 75.111.147.168 wrote:
      I believe that Gywn wanted to rekindle the first flame because if he didnt then everyone in the world would just wander souless and undead like you see the soilders in the forest of the giants if you do rekindle the flame a new age is reborn with a new monarch and a new king that's why straid of olaphis says rekindle the flame or not it is all a curse countless kingdoms fall and rise whether or not the chosen one decides to rekindle the flame thats where the darksign comes into play the dark sign collects souls from everybody in drangleic or anor londo and when it collect enough a new chosen one rises to rekindle the flame and become monarch again... but thats is just a theory my theory that why wether or not you choose to link the flame or not in dark souls 1 somebody else eventually came along "king vendrick" and relinked the flame until he found out nthe truth and just isolated himself in the undead crypt that is why you see him walking around undead because he doesnt want to link the flame again and have a dark sign he'd rather be souless than try to cure the darksign by devouring countless souls

      "Emilio Cantu"

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    • After watching Aldia's lore from Vaati, and reading along the comments, one person who I forget literally brought up a possibility that the greatest sin that Aldia was implying was not greed due to men's insatiable need to have more souls, but Existence. For the curse prevented death, but hollowing, and those that were branded the Accursed sign were branded to hollow and never die. To feed on souls in order to stave off the end of their madness. 


      The Iron King, Old and arrogant, followed the same path Gwyn had did, except, his case was simply out of his temper and anger that blinded him. Remember, before Vendrick, he was present and had been ordering the captures of hollows and having them sent to the Lost Bastille, tortured, or sent to the Executioner Chariot. The man was your average paranoid Gwyn, that did not fear the lost of his power, but the overaccumlating hollowing that touched his lands (that and he was kind of a mad king (Game of Thrones pun)). The Iron King might have been fated to become the crueler version of Gwyn and in the price, brought him to his death at the hands of not the flame but his very own creation.


      We know Gwyn feared the dark and believed that, told from Kaathe, that a Dark Lord was coming to take his kingdom away so that light would not remain the omnipotent force. So Gwyn constantly wanted Hollows to be sent away, the Undead Asylum, Blighttown, anywhere that could save him from losing his kingdom. Then came the fear of the First flame, the Kiln, so since Gwyn sacrificed his soul to the flame which did not work and drove him to hollow, there was a possibility that caused the curse to extend so far, it was probably impossible until another brave soul (you) would come to alleviate that curse and allow people to die than to live forever. However decision is made, it leads into Dark Souls 2 where the curse is still rampant and has gotten stronger over time.


      Gwyn caused this most definitely, since he extended life than replenished it, and it is up to the accursed one to feed the kiln of the first flame or let the world be swallowed into the dark. Aldia goes forward to wanting to understand the driven intentions that the Chosen Undead has, telling him the tales of his research, explaining the outcomes of the past great souls that came before, but most of all, explaining the fruitless outcomes that everyone has been attempting to do. Change their fate. 


      Is it the curse? Is it the accursed ones' volition? Or what if it is that Life is a Sin and that Death can truthfully grant that absolution and virtue that no one could suffer even more.


      My greatest question in all of this is about Gravelord Nito, the one who brought us the First Death. The one who balanced that strain in life, and was only interested in that creepy disorder than the political fundamentals that the other lords were bellied into. Gravelord Nito's line of power still extended from Milfinito and Agdayne for they were possibly created in case someone would attempt to prevent Death from existing or cheat it. They were made to soothe those to accepting it (Milfinito) and guard it for what it stood for (Agdayne). But what about him? He sure enough would have a bigger impact since out of every lord, he was the First Undead and Great Lord, and the feared that the Way of White yearned for his power or were invited to protect it from the hands of bandits. 


      Quotes that could lead to Aldia's speculation into what was the First Sin would be better implied from Agdayne, that it was easier to understand and less cryptic:

      ---Agdayne---

      "In the past, humans were one with the dark. The former King of Light…He feared humans. Feared that they would usher in an age of dark. How queer, you humans. How you go on, never separating truth from fiction." 


      "This place is welcome to all, provided due reverence is shown.

      Death is equitable, accepting. We will all, one day, be welcomed by her embrace. Tell me what you desire. Show me reverence, and I will lend you my hand."

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    • Am I actually the only one that thinks about the Witch of Izalith as the first sinner. I mean before Gwyn became one with the first flame, she tried to replicate it and tried to break the cycle before Gwyn. Aldia's apparence also reminded me a bit of "The Bed of Chaos".

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    • I think there's very little doubt the first sin is Gwyn rekindling the first flame, and creating the cycle of light and dark. First of all, he's the only figure from DS1 that Aldia ever mentions in his dialogue. Secondly, the theme and plot of DS2 is heavily centered on the undead curse which is directly tied to the linking of the first flame. It makes no sense thematically and plot-wise for the first sin to be anything other than that. The witch of Izalith is really just a minor plot point in comparison to the larger narrative of light and dark. If you aren't convinced, just read Aldia's dialogue, and you will find he never talks about anything other than fate, particularly the undead curse. 

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    • There has to be a way to get ride of the unded curse permeantly we need to be true humans, not the false hollows.

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