Gwyndolin being her son may be POSSIBLE but it seems very speculative to me. We shouldn't report it on her page as if it were fact unless Word of God has confirmed it
Gwyndolin being her son may be POSSIBLE but it seems very speculative to me. We shouldn't report it on her page as if it were fact unless Word of God has confirmed it
@Little Jiba3 enough for his greedy ass to have everything under controll
Wikis should provide factual information, not speculation. Speculation, if useful to know, should be secluded in its own section that is clearly marked as such.
The Souls Series has a lot of unclear lore, and separating out the known factual information and the fans' head cannon is the purpose of a wiki.
You can draw connections and parallels all you want, but at the end of the day, it's just theorizing. There is no explicit proof of this connection, so it should not be presented as fact. Keeping it here sets a precedent that this wiki accepts and welcomes fan theories and speculation in place of referenced sources.
@GEONEgaming
Speculation become a fact when there are 6 different sources supporting it.
I can create connections because they can become facts ... Because if i create a connection and they dont do It then everything is speculative and we can be sure of nothing.
The lore is mostly clear when we have correct translations ... And some things needs to be accepted for things to make sense, otherwise we would only provide pages with the lore section stating to lines without meaning.
I agree about the wiki having to keep factual elements ... But if you hadnt noticed the entire wiki, in particolar regarding lore, lacks even basic sources and is full of half-build frases without expansion or support behind them ... Making It seems this wiki accepts and welcome outdated infos, incorrect and unfinished descriptions.
To call speculation what instead is supported by sources would be incoherent.
Those aren't sources proving your theory, those are stretched connections you have taken as confirmation bias. This is not an accepted piece of lore, and is rather pulled out of the blue. If you cannot back it up with explicit proof then it should not be presented as fact. Include it in a speculation section.
@GEONEgaming what in this game's lore would be "explicit confirmation" when we know even description and dialogue can lie ?
Nothing about them is stretched since they are logical ... And they are accepted by the very sources they provide.
I will move the section inside a "Theories" subsection but the sources are still logically explaining a fact.
Clearly the blue tear stone ring corpse is siegmeyer's wife
Gwyn seems way too racist to be wanting to have a kid with a dragon
The soul logic does not work because in Dark Souls III alone you have six items that are not directly related to the boss that drops the soul to make it. According to you, Oceiros's soul making Seath's signature weapon and sorcery is little more than symbolism and an affinity for Seath's magic. Meanwhile, when it comes to Aldrich's soul, it confirms Gwyndolin 100% to be the son of Priscilla even though the miracle, which is a real weapon in the original game with no relation to faith or even any kind of magic, is directly attributed to Aldrich. Making assumptions about the lore in order to fit your pre-existing theory is not a reasonable way to look at lore implications, but that's the only way I can see your logic working.
Sister, niece. Also it was never stated that Gwyndolin thought of her. Aldrich dreamed while devouring Gwyndolin, and in that dream perceived the form of a young, pale girl in hiding. They never expand upon the mechanics of a sapient, cannibalistic, pile of slime's ability to access the memories of those it consumes. It might have been directly thought about by Gwyndolin, it might have been a formative memory Aldrich found, or perhaps Aldrich rooted around in the deepest recesses of Gwyndolin's mind and accessed a memory even Gwyndolin could not. Maybe it was in fact the manifestation of some connection between Gwyndolin and Priscilla's souls. We simply don't know, and as such every opinion on that topic is speculation.
All of Gwyndolin's artifacts reference the moon. None of them reference Seath. In fact, Seath is only related to the moon by the names of the Moonlight Butterfly, whose magic is stated to be crystalline in nature, the Moonlight Greatsword, that has no direct relation to the moon, and the Old Moonlight sorcery, which is a memory of Midir's that manifests as the Moonlight Greatsword.
I'm not saying it's weird that he opposes the Darkwraiths. I'm saying it's weird that he does that and then seemingly doesn't interact with the abundance of humanity they harbor, if we assume that he, and his magic, does in fact have this inherent connection to the Dark.
The Darkwraiths got an entire undead capital drowned because they were too dangerous to even their fellow men. The Dark caused at least two major nations within Lordran to collapse, and the Abyss consumes the Chosen Undead if they're not protected from it, in spite of the supposed connection to the Dark that Kaathe claims. Furthermore, all manner of spellcasters who use the Dark are consistently depicted as at best having an uneasy relationship with the wider world and often being outright heretical. All this in mind, it's not a stretch by any means to suggest that the danger that Priscilla's lifehunt posed was far more pressing than the moral or emotional qualms about banishing a crossbreed into the painting, relative or no.
Gwyn had already linked the fire by the time the Firstborn left Anor Londo, as made evident by Sunlight Blade being left as a farewell by him on Gwyn's coffin. By all accounts, it would seem that Gwyn never found out his firstborn was disinherited. Additionally, Gwyndolin doesn't seem to have had much trouble justifying Gwynevere as the Queen of Sunlight, so I'm not even sure that Lordran would be agnatic in nature. That is assuming that Gwyndolin would even lose his claim to the throne over his upbringing in the first place. Nothing seems to imply that him being male was ever kept secret. So I would go back to my statement that the guy who was so scared of the status quo breaking that he threw himself into the fire of creation to prevent any change might have been more concerned with adhering to tradition than doing what was best for his son.
Also what GEONE said. Speculation is all well and good but without overwhelming evidence that also disproves other possibilities, such as the numerous clear parallels between the Firstborn and Nameless King, you absolutely cannot put it down as fact in an article. Speculation can be included if it's clear that it is speculation and it has a solid foundation. For example, I could see making mention that Priscilla might be related to Gwyn, on account of his messy family tree, but anything more specific, such as implying that she had a child with Gwyn, is simply far too speculative.
Wasn't aldrich having drug induced dreams about it anyway
@AndreaPz01 I'm pretty sure that the Lifehunt Scythe description refers to Yorshka, who is a very similar being to Priscilla. It's very possible that she is Priscilla's daughter, who left the painted world the same way Sulyvahn did (maybe even Priscilla herself did before Ariamis was burned down), or that she was conceived in a similar way Priscilla was, and thus has god-slaying powers.
It's quite possible that Gwyndolin took her in and publicly proclaimed her his sister, rather than them actually being related, though it might be stretching it a bit. We still don't know to whom Priscilla herself is truly related, so it's possible that she was Gwyn's daughter. That said, Aldritch's soul does refer to Yorshka as being "young", which wouldn't fit if she was alive before Gwyn put himself to the torch, and her name was given to her by Gwyndolin.
It's possible that Gwyndolin learned the ability from her, or that Aldritch simply has the ability to learn abilities via dreams.
Ultimately, there simply is NOT enough evidence to support the theory that Gwyndolin is Priscilla's son as factual.
What do you think?