Talk:Manus, Father of the Abyss/@comment-13858305-20140507063748/@comment-95.232.207.249-20140515184924

Time for some constructive decontruction.

The Dark Souls is humanity, yeah, the item AND the mechanic, that's why Manus might as well be the Pigmy, because it wouldn't make a difference, he would be just a human whom humanity went wild, only he would be the first human, and a quite powerful being, Manus just went crazy, not unlike the Four Kings, they were corrupted by the Abyss.

The Chosen Undead had the dark soul, like Laurentius and Griggs and Logan, every undead in and outside of Lordran possessed a piece of the Dark Soul, your character might have went hollow and no one would've cared, someone else would just take it's place.

So no, the Dark Soul didn't split from Manus, the Pigmy split it to create mankind, and Manus is just a human whom humanity eventually turned into an abomination, whoever he was, he had a normal soul, it just became one with a lot of humanity.

Nashandra is a part of Manus's soul, true, but it's also the smallest, i suspect the Darklurker is another, bigger fragment, and Velstadt was alive before the queen came along, and the Throne Duo was part of Vendrick's army, they just all had corrupted souls, probably because of the Flame fading, and them turning undead.

I personally don't think the Pursuer is DkS 1 player character, for obvious reasons.

"Many kingdoms have risen and fallen on this very spot."

Lordran's deities name's are alredy forgotten, you can see that Ornstein in just a husk of it's former serf, using dark magic since lightning was of no use to him (wich means he probably wasted a TONS of levels in INT), and the PC is alredy dead or burned in the Kiln, replaced by someone else, someone that would meet the same fate sooner or later, if you are saying it's him because of the fact that he kills undead to atone his sins then I say this: the Lost Sinner tried to IGNITE the flame, the chosen undead LINKED the flame, it's not the same thing really, well, i'm done for today.

tl;dr: I strongly disagree.