Talk:Drangleic/@comment-13858305-20140416073727/@comment-13858305-20140423221803

The Dull Ember's description, if I remember correctly (as it's not stated on the page) does not say the flame cannot die. It states that the near-death-like state is its normal state. And perhaps, if we relate this to the First Flame, then the bonfire-sized first flame could've been the natural state.. Or, the small sliver of Gwyn's soul that he still had could have been keeping it alive, which is why it supposedly goes out, when Gwyn is gone, and the Fire not linked..

The Flame, however, I agree came before the Lord Souls. The Lord Souls were fragments of the First Flame, if I interpreted it correctly.. That or the Flame killed four people (or rather, Dragons) that had Grand Souls, that the Gods used against the Dragons.

Also, as far as I'm aware, the Undead curse would have only been halted if the Flame was linked, which supports the Dark Lord ending.. Of course, I'm actually not completely sure if I'm correct there, so..

I actually never thought about the Serpents basically just calling every undead chosen, in hopes one might actually fulfill their dreams.. I'm not sure if I believe that, though.. Hm.. I'll think on that, some more.

Personally, I think the Age of Dragons was actually the same thing as the Age of Dark. When the Dragons ruled over the world, this world was static. Much like how Wellager describes Vendrick's kingdom being static, like the Dark. (..If I'm remembering the dialogue correctly) The First Flame brought change, which, of course is represented by the Flame which brought it. And the Flame tends to work through the Lord Souls, from what we've seen, in Dark Souls I, and II. Hence: Why I think the Lord Souls are fragments of the First Flame.

Or perhaps.. The Lord Souls have always existed, but in several different forms.. The First Flame only being the incarnation Gwyn found.. Though that doesn't have anything supporting it, as the First Flame is really the only form we've seen. (unless you count the individuals who hold the souls [Gwyn, Izalith, Nito, Chosen Undead, & Sinner, King, Rotten, Chosen Undead {Puruser, in my theory} respectively])