Talk:Dragon Slayer Ornstein and Executioner Smough/@comment-25247371-20140806014054/@comment-24912592-20140811133934

^ That's why I advise a shield, it evens the odds against multiple opponents. Don't need no phantom. My first victory over Super Ornstein was in hollow form... My very first try... Because I used a shield and fireballs. I can not underline enough how incredibly useful a greatshield and fireballs in this fight are! Just trust me on this!

And the BKS is also incredible in the first playthrough. That weapon is balanced to be... balanced for when you acquire it in the Kiln. Before that point, its base damage is just off the charts, especially since you can put your stat points in important things as endurance without slowly making your weapon more and more sub-par.