Talk:Darkstalker Kaathe/@comment-173.22.115.75-20140205224557/@comment-85.138.248.47-20140902025142

There are lots of things in the game that you "have no way of telling" in the first playthrough. Some, you "have no way of telling" even in your second or third; you'll only find them by exploring the world and doing things in a different order.

People who killed Ingward (either deliberately or by mistake) have a chance of finding Kaathe before Frampt is even accessible.