Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130127004214/@comment-1852943-20130627205528

I find the theory of an outside force turning a human undead a distinct possibility. For example, Solaire says that he became undead in order to come to Lordran. And, since only humans demonstrate the ability to become undead, I also agree that Havel was human. I find it likely that Havel rebelled against the gods (see this thread for more info on that theory), and either became undead intentionally to fulfill the Undead Prophecy or was forced to become undead as punishment for his transgression. Either way, I agree that it was most likely Gwyn who had him locked away, and gave his key to the Divine Blacksmith for safekeeping.

''While it shames me to do so, the following paragraph contains pure speculation, with very little supporting facts. I include it merely as food for thought, and because it is relevant to the discussion at hand. Please forgive me, Brainwasher.''

The Moonlight Butterfly that is found in the Darkroot Garden: it might be just a random optional boss; it might be a guardian of the key; it might be a guardian in the Forest Hunter cov; it might even have been sent by Seath to obtain the Watchtower Basement Key.