Board Thread:Dark Souls II/@comment-46.64.182.203-20140312230146/@comment-24727485-20140401225007

Lazule wrote: Amonynous wrote: Personally, I don't see how this could not be Ornstein. The Dragonslayer Spear says that he used it in the war against the dragons (meaning that he was alive during the same time period as Ornstein and was fighting the same battles). The Leo ring is a unique item; the only one in the world was given to Ornstein by Gwyn, and the Old Leo Ring is obviously the same ring (Meaning that he isn't some random Dragonslayer or one of Ornstein's troops). So if he's wearing Ornstein's Armor, fought against the dragons with Ornstein's weapon, fights identically to Ornstein, and has Ornstein's ring... how could this be anyone but Ornstein?

Furthermore, there's the repeated use of the word "Old." Old Paledrake Soul - Seath. Old Witch Soul - Witch of Izalith. Old Dead One Soul - Nito. Old King Soul - Gwyn. Old Dragonslayer? That is not coincidental.

So the questions that remain are how Ornstein survived in Dark Souls with the ring and soul that the CU took from him, and how he lived through the centuries between Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2. You can say that he was an illusion or that there's a time distortion, but with the info we have, I don't think we'll ever get beyond wild conjecture. Totally agreed. Still I don't think the illusion theory is the correct one, the time distortion theory could be but I think thats a card that can justify many silly things... Or it could be that the CU never killed Ornstein and that part of the story isn't canon (sadly or thankfully depends how you see this).

Myself? I'm glad that Ornstein is still alive. To be honest I care about the Age of Fire characters more than the CU. I agree, I got fed up with Silent Protagonists with a mixed and editable storyline, I liked the characters the Protagonist faced. And in some cases the Antagonists, the ones who try to stop the Protagonist's process. I read into Ornstein's lore, and nothing makes me susceptible that he was an illusion in DkS 1.