Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130203042433/@comment-18016240-20131219031038

Luckystarz103 wrote: FIRSTBORN / PRISCILLA SPECULATION

Well we know where to find the Firstborn's ring, in the Darkmoon Tomb, which suggests that Gwyndolin might have killed him for his sin. That sin perhaps being, that he had a bastard child, Priscilla, with some female dragon? or maybe perhaps Velka, whos to she wasn't a black-haired dragon witch?

Though I dont really even believe that myself, since the description of the giant lightning spear states that Gwyn's Firstborn was a God of War and "had respect only for arms," so he probably was like Thor from that movie and tried to start some unnecessary wars. or maybe he did start some war already?

also worth a mention, Gwyndolin and Velka are alike that they are each a god and goddess of sin, only Gwyndolin's stuff is faith-based, while Velka's is int.-based. They both punish the guilty, though, Velka went rogue somehow, and also her rapier has occult stats.

and since Velka requires int. instead of faith, and is also occult, this looks like a religion vs. science thing...

Random info: Ornstein is believed to be the leader if the four knights... the fang boar helm's only mentions one "ancient dragon"... did you know the six eyed channelers are Seath's servants, and were often called the "snatchers." also Seath is apparently blind (duh?)... Beatrice didnt go to school, and braved the Abyss... Logan is famous for being antisocial... the Brigands raided mountain hamlets, and it is suggested that they lived in a desert-like invironment... the symbol of avarice was once an ancient god?

I dunno, the Firstborn seems like he'd be one of those uber military/fratboy jerkoff types who gets a boner over assault rifles and nothing else.

Not really, Gwyndolin's more of a god of deception, including self deception. He believes that by fooling the undead with illusions he's making his father proud beyond the grave and that he's allowed to harm people who are against his views and ideals. (his idea of sin is that anything or anyone who interferes with his goals in any form is evil (ie a sinner) and needs to be destroyed regardless of their reasons) Even someone like Petrus, who is likely the most well known and unambiguously evil character in DS would likely be considered good by Gwyndolin's standards since he's a member of the WOW. Velka is more strict and unambiguous, she punishes the guilty regardless of wether they're human or not, if they've commited a crime she'll come after them. This is probably why her artifacts are in the Painted World and why she's considered a "rogue Deity", she's one of the few gods who's willing to call her brethren out on their shit if they step out of line.

Not sure why you put this here, but I was under the impression that the Four Knights were more or less equal and Ornstein was just the captain of the guard, not the Knights themselves who likely answered only to the Lords. (largely Gwyn.). That part of the fang boar helm's description is likely just a typo since we can see many ancient dragons in the opening cutscene. Beatrice didn't go to Vinheim's Dragon College, that doesn't mean that there aren't other schools of sorcery elsewhere and she probably didn't make it to the Abyss, if she did then the water would've been lowered already. What's more likely is that she was attacked by the ghosts in New Anor Londo and died soon afterword.