Talk:Dragon/@comment-5633574-20181202084353

There needs to be more moderation on lore and story articles. They're being filled with so much speculation and people passing their own theories off as fact that it is ridiculous. Here's a reason for the recent changes since the Edit summary will not allow details.

-The Lords rose from the dark, not the Dark. The capitalization is important.

-It was never said that the world was nearly destroyed in the war. The Dragon Memory is not confirmed to take place immediately after the war.

-There is nothing stating the world was 'homogenous'

-The barren and lifeless state of the Dragon Memories is not confirmed to be immediately after the war, nor do we even know when or where it is.

-The Dragon Scales mention the dragon's physical form having a connection to them, but nothing about being rooted to their physical form nor do their forms depend on it.

-The dragons were not warped when Gwyn peeled the scales from them, and all of the others were warped by other means, some undetermined. Kalameet is not warped in any way, nor do the Undead Dragons being undead mean anything for this.

-Though the draconic items are thought to allow for transformation into a new existence, it has not been confirmed if this is anything more than a belief. The dragon head and body stones are simple transformations with what knowledge we do have.

-The Ashen Mist Heart is not 'unfathomable.'

-The bit about dragons having some fundamental power to alter beings is pure and utter speculation. The bit about being tied into Buddhism even moreso, and has no business being in the article itself--save for maybe the Trivia session at best. Furthermore, the Ancient Dragon in Dark Souls 2 is not a real dragon, and other true dragons (namely Seath) are shown to be able to talk perfectly normally in other official mediums.

-The 'authenticity of the Ancient Dragon being intact' bit is outright false. Nashandra and Shalqior both point to it being false, there are numerous other bits of text in the game backing up their claims that it is also fake, and it does not give a dragon soul, but a giant soul. Simply the fact that it gives you a soul doesn't make it a real dragon. Dragons not having souls is also complete speculation, and rather ridiculous at that.

-Enhanced Undead have no confirmed link to dragons beyond their appearance, and even that is a stretch and one's own personal interpretation. Imperfects may be related, but beyond dropping dragon-related items there is nothing confirmed. They also are not related to Aldia.

-Midir was not driven mad by the time the Ashen One arrives; it is the worry of what would happen if he did go mad that drives Shira to ask the player to put him down. This is outright stated in her dialogue.