Talk:Murakumo/@comment-125.209.143.233-20120926032628/@comment-1687225-20120926042910

They should be able to. I've never gotten one from them, though...try farming them with 10 humanity and the covetous gold serpent ring/symbol of avarice. Probably it's easier to join the forest hunter covenant and then kill Shiva. You may as well since his bodyguard also has a good drop.