Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130203042433/@comment-4123103-20130830135839

I am not here to debate who is or is not the Firstborn son of Gwyn. I personally do not believe him to be in the game. From has stated he is not in the game. Unless proven otherwise, I will wait and see.

What I do want to talk about is the assumption that the Firstborn had his deific status revoked by Gwyn. I personally can find no evidence that he lost his powers to Gwyn. What we do know is that there were more gods than just Gwyn and his children. We know that the city was full of denizens who ran away. It is not out of the realm that he was stripped of his powers by others, possibly his own brother and sister for losing the annals.

Here is the two official pieces of information we do have on him.

Ring of the Sun's Firstborn

"Lord Gwyn's firstborn, who inherited the sunlight, once wore this ancient ring. Lord Gwyn's firstborn was a god of war, but his foolishness led to a loss of the annals, and rescinding of his deific status. Today, even his name is not known."

Here we have the most important information about who he was and why he lost his powers. But I think there is a much more important aspect here which is the line "Who inherited the sunlight." I will come back to this in a moment.

Sunlight Blade

"Miracle wielded by Lord Gwyn's firstborn. Boost right weapon with rays of Sun. The  #|power  of sunlight, manifested as lightning, is very effective against dragons. When the eldest son was stripped of his deific status, he left this on his father's coffin, perhaps as a final farewell."

This appears to be an item alot of people overlook when they discuss the firstborn and I think this has a very important point in my arguement. First, for the argument that Gwyn was not the one responsible for the firstborn losing his Deific state and second, that the firstborn is not present in the game. There is arguement why many could "possibly" be him, but they are not because of this act here.

He left the spell on his father's coffin. Meaning, he left it in the tomb dedicated to his father after Gwyn left to us himself to rekindle the first flame. This was also right after he was stripped of his status. So, its not 100% but it appears that Gwyn was not even present when his son fell from grace. As Gwynevere was the Queen of Anor Londo, it is possible that it was she who stripped her brother along with the aid of Gwyndolin.

Another thing to back this up is again, the line "Who inherited the sunlight." The reason I find this fascinating is, my interpretation, Gwyn passed down his title as the God of Sunlight to his eldest, a god of war like himself, before heading off to light the Kiln of the First Flame.

This is all speculation of course, but I think its something worth exploring more. So, to make my points.

1. Gwyn was not present when the firstborn lost his powers. He had already used his own body to light the Kiln of the First Flame.

2. The Firstborn lost his powers after being stripped by either one of his siblings, the combined power of his siblings, or the aid of other gods after losing or destroying the annals. Chances are was from a dispute with another god which led into a voilent reaction from the proud eldest son. Not sure.

3. By leaving the Sunlight Blade on the coffin of the Gwyn, the firstborn left Anor Londo himself. All these little things speak volumes about this character and I feel no one really captures the Firstborn's personality to me. Not even Solaire, which is why I dont believe he is in this game.

As for Solaire, if he is related, then he is either the descendant of the first born who inherited the sunlight straight sword, or just a devote and fanatical follower of the sun.