Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130203042433/@comment-72.8.246.201-20131003001311

Matsczon wrote: 72.8.246.201 wrote: I don't trust the developers much since that whole trolling with the pendent. he wasn't trolling. He said that he would choose it from a roleplay perspective.

As to why the first born was stripped of his godhood I would say he possibly wanted to reveal the faltering of the first flame or something that was not in line with how Gwyn wanted to handle the crisis. He lost his deific status because he lost the "annals." I've heard that it is some kind of book that tells the story of the gods, but I don't know what it is.

Oh, and the comment that gods can't become undead. Gwyn is practically hallowed when you fight him at the end. True. Gwyn is hollowed in some form. But hollowing does not equal undeath. Undeath is rebirth upon death caused by the Darksign.

Hollowing is losing ones soul.

In DeS this means the "soul soul" and in DaS this means fragments of The Dark Soul.

As far as I can tell, these two hollowings are the same except minor details. Note that DeS hollwing isn't actually hollowing, but you go mad and kill every sane being you come across, same as a hollow. 1.) I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I'm not saying the developers are untrustworthy; all I'm saying is that the can feed false information to get people to talk about their game. Yet, In a game that holds so many secrets, the creative director could have not forseen people taking his selection of the pendent as a signal of some grand mystery buried somewhere in the game. Yes he never implicitly said there was a use for the pendent, but he also never told the fan base that it was useless for gameplay until long after the game's release. I would call it friendly trolling.

2.) Your right that the first-born lost his status because he lost the "annals", but I don't  think that your statement and mine contradict. One could argue that refusing to go along with maintaining the image of an undying age of fire can be the same as "losing" the annals/history/propaganda that the gods are trying to create.

3.) In regards to whether gods can be undead, this one does confuse me. Can one be hollow and not be undead. For humans it seems the case you have to first be undead and then you can become hollow. I can't think of why it wouldn't be the case for any other beings. I suppose you can argue Seath as an example in either case. He is undead/undying due to the crystal he stole and is perhaps hollowed considering his madness and hostility, or he could be just immortal and crazy from his research.