Talk:Abyss/@comment-67.7.241.210-20140804154043/@comment-16047389-20140821203602

@Mattock123: The Rotten isn't really obsessed with life. He "''embraces all, in his sanctuary for all things rotten or tossed away". ''Not that Nito had much of a personality on his own, anyway. He was content to sleep while the world was ending.

Nashandra is only a piece of Manus. She represents Want, which is a trait of humans true nature (at least that's what the game hints at anyway). She is only a fraction of what Manus was.

Freja didn't have much of a revealed backstory in order to figure out anyting about them. But Tark claims that Freja was indeed the master who created both him and his love. We know that Seathe created half-man/half-animal hybrid creatures to serve him. And Tark drops several hints about his master:

''"We once had a master. He created us long, long ago. But he was born with a fatal flaw. He resented those who had what he lacked, and became fully mired in hatred. Eventually, he drove himself mad. It was at the peak of this madness that he conjured up we strange creatures." ''Seath was born without the Scales of Immortality, and hated the other dragons for it. Because of this, he betrayed them. Seathe is also driven to madness in his pursuit to find a way to become immortal.

"What skill. You've defeated my master. But our master never dies, only changes form, so that he may seethe for all eternity." Aside from the obvious "seethe" drop, this explains how their master had survived for so long. To me, this suggests that Seath actually succeeded in attaining immortality, as his soul is now one of the four Great Ones (I will explain this theory on a more relavent area, mostly it consists with his research over the crystals and the fact that he possesed part of Gwyn's Lord Soul).

The main problem with Dark Souls 2 lore, is that while it gives a lot of lore behind places and meaning, it gives very little history of the characters themselves. So it becomes difficult to map out their most significant actions and traits.

@Zelron Dark Souls 2 goes far more in depth on the subject of the Dark, the Age of Dark, the Abyss, and the Curse of the Undead than the first game did. I recommend playing it for the extra bits of lore if nothing else.

Also, there is no logic that works with Solaire being the Firstborn. There are some things that hint at his connection with the Firstborn and Gwyn being more significant than any of the other Undead. But there is no actual evidence to suggest that the two are directly related. On this you are correct. It's a nice story, but that's all it really is.