Talk:Manus, Father of the Abyss/@comment-71.204.137.193-20130629085511/@comment-11388043-20130629112856

Daifukkatsu, I am inclined to agree with this post and this is why (excuse the long post, had to gather all lore info).

Primeval: This does not mean he existed before the DLC or created the Abyss. He is just called that. if you remember Kaathe talking he says there was others, which could speculate that Manus was also tricked into trying to bring the Age of Darkness, and when he failed. Kaathe tried the people of Oolacile and they ended up unleashing Manus (who they do not know about so yea it would make sense for them to call him the father of the Abyss). Which means Manus would have to be in New Londo Ruins for the Abyss to be there because if the Abyss was born of Manus then only Manus can cause it to appear. But then how is Kaathe residing in the Abyss.... maybe he tricked the 4kings and Manus and Oolacile into using the Abyss in hopes of bringing the age of Darkness. Also the game clearly states that Artorias has dealt with the abyss before and got a ring so he can travel the Abyss unharmed, that’s why he was later sent to Oolacile when the Abyss broke out, so if Manus was the father and slumbering how did the abyss appear elsewhere? all the game states is that Oolacile comes under attack by the Abyss that Manus created when he was awoken by them, also Kaathe doesnt explain why he is in the Abyss (he doesnt tell you probably because he is afraid that if we knew he had caused the abyss, we would not help him).
 * 1) Of or resembling the earliest ages in the history of the world.
 * 2) (of feelings or actions) Based on primitive instinct; raw and elementary: "a primeval desire".



In the end, its all how you piece the lore together. I base my thoughts by putting the lore in order and using the information of the characters to sum up the reason why I believe this.

