Board Thread:Dark Souls/@comment-30229193-20161014211451/@comment-30229193-20161015003840

101.185.91.232 wrote: havels set is behind an illusory wall in a fireplace with a mimic. simply just get the set then go back the way you came to sens fortress via the batwing demon and go back to undead parish, and in turn, back to firelink shrine. you will have havels set and be able to fight the four kings. note that to access the abyss (four kings arena) you must kill Ingward to gain the Key to the seal before you have the lordvessel. After defeating Ornstein and Smough, go up an elevator and enter the princesses chamber. She will give you the lordvessel. It is probably a better idea visiting ingward after youve obtained the lordvessel so you dont have to kill him. Ornstein and Smough is the boss of Anor Londo so you may obtain Havel's Set before obtaining the Lordvessel. I hope this was help and my tip is just to get the lordvessel before the four kings, but its your game. Good luck. :)

Thanks! So there is no way to get the Lordvessel before defeating Ornstein and Smough, am I right?

As for Ingward, he's already dead.