Thread:Aftenshnoshnikr/@comment-6003396-20131106080732/@comment-11227880-20131106122145

yes i see, i'll give you points for it not being fairly clear on who did or didnt wear the ring. but there is kanji for the greatshield description at 2:56ish/2:57ish to 2:58. so...what now? delete the ring trivia? unless we read the japanese description for the ring i guess the arguement leans more towards havel actually being havel.

epicname has a page here

https://sites.google.com/site/enbsdarksoulsguide/dark-souls/old-lore-series

so maybe if we dig around, we could find the descriptions n evidence we need.

ill try googling for it first though