Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130119213241/@comment-18016240-20140202160741

KreesU wrote: Question time:

HereticalThoughts: Why didn't Gwyn tell this to Havel? It might have kept one one Gwyns few friends and allies close to him, and trusting him, and stopped A GODDAMN UPRISING. I mean,  seriously, he had to have know how much Havel hated Seath. Like, come on, man.

Zeroto100: Seath is crazy, not stupid. I think. Anyways, instead of surrounding the tower, why not just go in there and kill Havel? And don't say "no master key". You have to kill the moonlight butterfly in order to get the basement key. And also don't say: not strong enough; Seath kills the CU in, like, 10 seconds. The CU kills Havel long before that. And if Seath didn't want to go, why not just have some serpent men throw a dung pie in Havels room? It straight up kills him, and I'm pretty sure that poop from anywhere, not just blighttown, can be used. In fact, considering that the undead don't eat or sleep, I'm suprised dung pies are even in the game. I'm not sure, it could be that Gwyn did tell him, but Havel's hatred of Seathe and possibly sorcery in general was greater than his loyalty to Gwyn, causing him to take up arms against his former Lord and thus his fall was asured. Or perhaps Havel was there when Gwyn rekindled the flame and felt that the Age of Fire had to end as the natural course of things, we really don't have much insight at all in how or why Havel did anything really. Which is actually one of the Souls series' weakpoints in my opinion.

I know that the second question was meant for Zeroto, but I'mma swoop in on that one too since I'm here and drop my two cents.

Seath probably just didn't care about Havel, he likely thought of him as a nuisance but othwerwise wasn't bothered by some idiot (n his eyes) with a chip on his shoulder.