Talk:Throne Watcher and Defender/@comment-121.44.236.221-20180131065334/@comment-67.11.161.251-20191028105614

I can do O&S solo fairly reliably at SL1 with no upgrades.

That will never, ever happen with these two, for a number of reasons.

One of the major reasons is that these are nowhere near as well designed. They're a crappy imitation with less differences between them, way larger move sets for no reason except to try to cover the bad design, and a really, incredibly annoying mechanic that just completely invalidates the most normal and logical way to deal with them.

Defender being more tanky to everything is just the feces on this cake. Even if you're NOT trying to focus one down, Watcher will go down way before if you're not specifically trying to prevent it, which means that that one opening you get once in a blue moon often can't be taken, unless you just want to have Watcher revived to full before you can down Defender.

On top of that they're either immune to poison, toxic, and bleed, or so close to it that it makes no difference.

It's not good design. They have no tradeoffs or weaknesses for their outstanding strengths. It's just more of DS2 typical mob design and placement, which is "lol screw you, because F you, that's why.  You can't even learn anything from this that is useful anywhere else in the game".