Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130203042433/@comment-18016240-20140316132926

46.236.94.161 wrote: It could be havel you know heres the evidence havels weapon can be enchanted including all clubs he has enough faith to use sunlight blade havel has a love for weapons and no perticiluar liking for sorceries and he is a bishop of the way of white perhaps he became a bishop when he got robbed of his deific status and havel has no dialogue so theres no way to prove that this is wrong it cant be ornstein cuz of anor londo and his statues and his weapon cant be enchanted and it cant be artorias eaither and it cant be andre cuz of the interview

Havel was confirmed to be one of Gwyn's generals, and a friend to Gwyn, but not a relative. He's also hollow by the time the player encounters him, implying that he was human before he turned undead (a state of being that I believe only humans can normally achieve, barring certain exceptions.)

Why does it matter wether his club can be enchanted or not?

Having enough faith to use a certain miracle doesn't make him the firstborn anymore than having enough faith to use the sunlight spear miracle makes the player Gwyn, it's a stat, nothing more.

It doesn't say that he particularly loved weapons, you're just making things up in this regard. He hated sorcery because he hated Seathe, who pretty much is the grandfather of sorcery.

Or maybe he became a bishop through the usual way people ascend ranks in the church, which is far more likely.

Having no dialogue proves nothing for either side of your theory.

In summary: Honestly I don't like saying this, but this theory is ridiculous. Did you think this through at all? Also your grammar and sentence constrction is terrible.