Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-10209824-20140321195951/@comment-10209824-20140506191234

217.227.249.233 wrote: What about the following, the lost sinners sin was to reproduce the first flame once more and fail once more ... thereby creating demons in Drangleic. One of said demons (or maybe the only demon of flame?) then killed the old iron king, now if she the lost sinner is what is referred to as the princess and said princess is daughter of the old iron king what do we end up with? A neat little connectiion which somewhat makes sense. Now lets say the old iron king, his daughter the lost sinner and the duke plotted together trying to end the curse, recreate the first flame.

It was vendrick who obtained the lordvessel by defeating the giants it were the highest powers in his kingdom who destroyed the lordvessel after vendrick had been corrupted.

What if the malformed humans found in oolacile are just afirst step towards creating the giants? What if the dark lord who dawned the age of men transformed men into giants through the dark soul through corruption of the abyss and the power of the 4 lord souls? The dark soul is missing in drangleic ... or is it in the hands of Velstadt i dont think so but the abyss is clearly present in Drangleic too, velstadt was corrupted by it somehow as was ornstein.

WHAT BAFFLES ME IS THAT NOONE TALKS ABOUT THE FUCKING MAP! its clearly a tool, a tool created by the same group of people who researched about the lordvessel, got it into their hands and finally broke said lordvessel. - The malformed humans/bloatheads were malformed because Manus's madness twisted the Dark and everything that got exposed to the Dark. They weren't becoming Giants.

- The Dark Soul isn't missing, it's everywhere. When the Pygmy/Manus split the Dark Soul it continued to split and grow. Humans are the result of the split and this is why humans generate humanity. Hence why you are able to return to human form using a Humanity/Human Effigy. You are literally absorbing human essence.

- There is nothing to suggest that the Lost Sinner is responsible for the Demons in Drangleic or that she is related to the Iron King; especially since there is no information in the game in regards to if he even had children. Also Demons in DS1 were created when the Witch tried to recreate the First Flame using the Chaos Lord Soul. The Lost Sinner wasn't trying to recreate it, she was trying to rekindle it. Likewise, the Smelter Demon was the thing that killed the Iron King and it appeared after the castle started sinking into the earth.

- Vendrick wasn't corrupted. He hollowed. There's a significant difference between the two and even then, he only hollowed after he entered his area in the Undead Crypts.