Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-25654683-20141110083826/@comment-16047389-20141114215440

Just because the Lord Souls show up doesn't mean that every other character that existed in Lordran has to show up. And once again, your statement " They were all great kings who did lead their kingdoms to ruin" is still wrong. Vendrick is the only one you can actually say led his kingdom to ruin:

*Shulva was attacked by an outside force. It wasn't led to ruin.

*Old Iron King was already gone by the time his kingdom fell. He didn't lead it to ruin.

*Eleum Loyce was a fortress built for the sole purpose of containing the Old Chaos and protecting the world from it (something it continues to do successfully even after the Ivory King's death). It wasn't led to ruin.

The "pattern" you claim to see doesn't fit for anyone except Vendrick. As for the other three, none of them led their kingdoms to ruin, you just admitted that the Old Iron King wasn't "seduced by the Dark" (and I don't consider the Sunken King marrying Elana enough to constitute that description, and suggesting the Ivory King was simply because he offered Alsanna shelter is completely unrealistic), and once again the fact that the souls of Nito, the Witch of Izalith, Seath, and Gwyn all make appearances, doesn't mean that every other soul in Lordran is meant to be apart of the repeating cycles. It's possible that the Bequeathed parts of Gwyn's soul don't even exist anymore. They may have reformed with his own during the constant recycling of souls everytime the First Flame is relinked, or just burnt out long ago, since even the Lord souls we find suggest that they have been worn down over eons of existence.