Board Thread:Dark Souls II/@comment-46.64.182.203-20140312230146/@comment-67.180.138.76-20140324175958

24.127.12.27 wrote: 67.180.138.76 wrote: It says used there, not from there. You find Dragoncrest Rings in Lordran in Dark Souls 2. And if you speak with Straid, he talks about all the kingdoms that have risen and fallen where Drangleic is now. Honestly, that to me sounds like Drangleic is built ontop of Lordran. It suffers the exact same time distortions. And, for that matter, Boletaria from Demon's Souls is likely built ontop of Drangleic in the future. So all the Souls games take place in the same area, explaining the dependence on souls in each game's region.

Pretty much supports what they said then. The rings being made in venheim are pretty big reason to argue it is not on top of lordran, and I didn't see anything in this specific post take away from that. Well, actually, Straid also says that the land Drangleic is built on was originally where the undead were coralled. That hints at the Undead Asylum, but it could also be referencing that Lordran was the land of the undead in Dark Souls at the time of the Chosen Undead. There's very little to connect Drangleic to Vinheim outside of the Lingering Dragoncrest Ring saying that the ring was used in the land before Drangleic. But it doesn't say that it was forged there. The Lingering Dragoncrest Ring was absolutely used in Lordran in the 1st Dark Souls. Griggs of Vinheim brought the Lingering Dragoncrest Ring to Lordran (and could sell it to the Chosen Undead)--the high sorcerer the ring's description also references it was used by a high sorcerer, which could be Griggs (not that he was a high sorcerer, but ancient history messes up a lot of things), or could be the Chosen Undead if it was a sorcerer.

There's quite a bit to link Drangleic to Lordran, though. There's the soul dependency, the time distortions, the fact that all the undead are drawn to Drangleic despite not really knowing why. There's bonfires all over Drangleic, and especially primordial bonfires near the four Old Ones. Saulden even explains to you what bonfires are in Dark Souls 2, meaning bonfires probably aren't in the rest of the world, otherwise your character in Dark Souls 2 would know what they were. There's shards of Estus Flasks everywhere. Straid references the Witch of Izalith and the flame of chaos, Carhillion mentions sorcerery being derived from the "great pale one", who's obviously Seath. Black Knight weapons are littered throughout the world, Havel's set is sitting in the Gutter, Ornstein is in the Cathedral of the Blue, the Hawk ring is in the Forest of Fallen Giants. It would be a very odd set of coincidences for all of those things to up and move to Vinheim, when it makes a lot more sense for this to have once been Lordran.