Talk:Lorian, Elder Prince and Lothric, Younger Prince/@comment-74.249.139.149-20181230035239

I have to heavily contest the claim that Oceiros is the father of Lothric and Lorian.

Point A: the Hunter's Ring states "For generations, rulers of Lothric have relied especially upon the Black Hand hunters". So, we can safely say that there have been generations of the Lothric royal family.

Point B: the Soul of Consumed Oseiros states "Oceiros went mad trying to harness his royal blood for a greater purpose, leading him to the heretics of the Grand Archives, where he discovered the twisted worship of Seath the paledrake."  So from this we can conclude that the bringing of the Grand Archive into the Lothric royal family began with Oseiros.

Point C:  the Soul Stream spell states "Sorcery imparted by the first of the Scholars, when Lothric and the Grand Archives were but young."  Let me repeat for emphasis: "when Lothric and the Grand Archives were but young."  This first scholar also "was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince."

Conclusion: From these points, I make the hypothesis that Oceiros was a very early king of Lothric, whereas Prince Lothric was one of the last.

Possible counter-argument:  The Grand Archives were already a part of Lothric before Oceiros was "led to them", but this doesn't sound very likely to me (why would he need to be led to one of his 3 pillars?).