Talk:Lorian, Elder Prince and Lothric, Younger Prince/@comment-173.67.161.6-20180629182549

I thought the Lords of Cinder ALL abandoned their duty? (I mean maybe the Abyss Watchers would have went along with it, but they kind of went nuts trying to kill each other.) From what I gather elsewhere, the Lords of Cinder all tried to link the First Flame, but were too weak to fully kindle it, and merely fragmented their souls--all with the exception of Lothric, of course, who renounced his duties from the beginning.

Later, when tasked with reconvening and linking the fire together, the Lords of Cinder refused to cooperate, and most seem to favor letting the flame fade and forsaking the gods, with the exception of Ludleth, who merely awaits the orders of the Ashen One, whom he regards as the "true" Lord of Cinder.

There's also the question of Sulyvahn's role in Lothric, considering there's a statue of him on the High Wall with his Profaned Greatsword, perhaps suggesting a connection between him and the Grand Archives, and the transformation of Oceiros. It's also possible that Sulyvahn WAS the first scholar that tutored Prince Lothric, which would explain Lothric's rejection of his mission. The Boreal Outriders in Lothric might actually be there to assist the princes, not defeat them.