Talk:Cracked Red Eye Orb (Dark Souls II)/@comment-67.253.188.20-20140521015412/@comment-4511886-20140817074649

It was never a problem in DaS.

They also do lose their souls. If they are in an enemy infested area when invading, they could lose their souls permanently should they die en route.

The way to get this is insane though. Either 10k souls per orb, compared to the 2k or so from Kaathe, or farming enemies that you eventually need to use an ascetic to respawn. It's also impossible to guarantee a soul profit from invasions. So you'd have to do PvE after reaching the covenant just to make it work.