Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130127004214/@comment-78.104.172.181-20170506182153

no useful arguments sofar. he hits pretty hard but nothing states that this is really havel. most likely only one of his warriors...

remember, in DS2 and DS3 u also find havel warriors and multiple dragon tooths etc

also u find multiple "souls of hero / great hero" during the games. without any further information wo died there - means the HERO-argument is totally invalid.

a group of havel soldiers might just be chased and overrun by an army of gwyn or sth alike, one of the havel dude died too often and gone hollow, the others locked him in the tower so he would not attack them in a not sane moment at their retreat or sth alike.