Board Thread:Dark Souls II/@comment-46.64.182.203-20140312230146/@comment-5115051-20140403180841

Lazule wrote: Amonynous wrote: Well in Dark Souls, the First Flame was dying and the Age of Fire was coming to an end. Considering that the First Flame still exists in Dark Souls 2, that must mean the CU had followed Frampt's path and sacrificed himself to prolong the Age of Fire in the canon story. And for that you need to defeat the Ornstein to get the Lordvessel. I think we have pretty much reached the point where Fromsoft needs to tell us the reason why he is still alive, otherwise we will never deduce it correctly.

So far we have these theories... What I find strange is that you even take his soul and everything, thats why I'm not sure if that part of DkS1 is even canon. Because without his soul how he could re-appear?

This could apply to Artorias, Ciaran, Smough, etc as well. This is just wild speculation, but I was thinking about how the Lords' Souls still exist, despite the CU taking them.

Maybe when the CU sacrificed himself, all of the souls he had taken were released and they put themselves back together like Nashandra did.

​Not only would that mean this is a reborn ornstein, but it would also mean that the Rotten could be a living Nito (which is why he's composed of a bunch of living beings, where Nito was a bunch of skeletons). Either the bug or the Sinner could be a reborn Witch of Izalith. Before the old iron King was defeated by the smelter demon (as the smelter sword's description states) he could have been Gwyn, Lord of Cinder.

Idk about Seath though, like I said, just speculation.