Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-25958616-20150428030930/@comment-26331079-20150429150259

Hmm, this seems quite logical to happen, since both Havel and Frampt did not in fact liked Seathe, but simply despised his soul. Though, Havel and Frampt were both good friends to Gwyn, and if anyone wanted to go against Gwyn, they'd get the boot or blade like Gwyn's first son. I can see Gwyn sealing him away in a tower, or if it was Havel, awared that he was going hollow, sealed himself in the tower since he never leaves that tower, regardless.

As for the Batwing Demons, I'm not sure...they're quite peculiar since demons were born when the Witch of Izalith attempted to make the second flame and failed greatly at it. Perhaps they found their way out.

Interesting lore though.