Talk:Manus, Father of the Abyss/@comment-10518399-20131029211333/@comment-11227880-20131030010138

just leave Dark Soul17  alone bro, he didnt know and he sure as hell does now. He doesnt need an AWC to pursue him until the wnd a'ight?

Dark Soul17, Gwyn, as stated, does not get any harder after  NG+7, so if ur on NG+18/17 w/e id just recomend parrying him if you could do that, it wouldmake they fight considerably easier. The best critical hit weapon that would deal the most damage on gwyn, the top 3 in no particular order are Chaos Rapier +5, Great Club +15 + Buff (CMW, DMB, SLB or Pine Resins) or the Dark Silver Tracer. If you do not know how to parry gwyn yet, after 17 successive fights with him, then refer to the Parry and Riposte page and watch the 'Expert's Guide To Parrying'.

i hope this conversation does not need to continue in a negative manner.