Talk:Leo Ring/@comment-5337347-20120819073122/@comment-3492791-20140721063400

Ehh, well, i'm not sure you actually could. To get a counter bonus you have to attack them during their animation, which means while they're in the process of attacking. To recover fast enough from a roll, even a fast roll, to be able to start an attack you'd have to "dodge" before they even start their attack, which defeats the purpose of dodging as they will start tracking you after you roll and you won't end up evading them at all.

I can think of only two reliable way to utilize counter attack without trading. One method would be to break the enemy's poise, thus halting their attack. However there are not very many enemies with such little poise as to be broken by a thrust attack. The other method would be to attack from behind a shield, a benefit of using thrust swords or spears (both thrust weapons). This however cause a large loss of stamina, as turtle attacks take double stamina and you lose more from taking the hit.