Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-80.1.37.169-20140510152925/@comment-79.219.111.63-20160514000624

I do very much agree with @"A Wikia contributor" (the guy 2 posts above) here, with one exception.

I genuinly believe that Drangleic is a world that exists somwhere aside from Lordran, either very close to it (with potentially a few areas overlapping but not all) or in some kind of different dimension. And I'm not just saying that because some things don't add up. I think the main point I have is, in the beginning of the game (before the cutscene) we are an undead that seeks out an ancient land, one day "standing before it's decrepit gate without even knowing why" (sorry if I spelled that wrong). We apparently had the curse BEFORE coming to Drangleic, and we tossed outselves down a Maelstrom where souls were flying out that opened up when we stepped close to the lake in whichs reflection one could see an actual gate as opposed to the archway we see in reality. Now Milibeth (the one tending to the "old firekeepers") tells us that this place (thingy betwixt) seems to be a LIMBO, a connection between Drangleic and the OUTSIDE WORLD (in which we existed). My theory is that Drangleic is a part of Lordran but Lordran is not a part of Drangleic if that makes any sense. We do very well know that time AND space are very convoluted in the DS universe. And from what I can tell the more the flame fades the more convoluted are time and space. Dark Souls 2 seems to exist in the same universe, just either in another space-time point or in a nother dimension. There are too many differences to properly link them to the same place or even universe (the way the curse works, all the loopholes, etc) and there are too many similarities to completely separate them (the curse, the linking of the fire, the architecture, the souls of the lords) and it would not make sense to put DS3 before DS2 based on the way the ending is in DS3, while it would also make no sense if DS2 would be Lordran if DS3 is clearly Lordran to a big degree. What if the limbo is a connection between worlds? Both worlds suffer the same fate (maybe all worlds do), and some people - over time - were able to traverse the worlds, wander between the world of Drangleic and the World of Lordran. Because there are definitely items in DS3 that are actual references to DS2, but DS2 has no items or objects or geographical similarities with DS3 (nor do DS3s areas fit anything in DS2 much). A big piece of evidence is also Ornstein. Ornstein finds his final end in DS3 after the events of DS1.

I think the only thing you can say about the relation of DS2 to both DS1 and DS3 is that time and space are indeed convoluted, and that while DS2 has loose connections to both it definitely does not play in the exact same place, time and/or dimension. While you can clearly connect DS1 and DS3 with each other even just based on geography.

We all know the DEVELOPMENT reasons for the inconsistencies and vagueness of the second game, I think the best thing we can do for the in-game explanation is to explain it with overlapping realities or making Darngleic a Kingdom that is close to Lordran OR making the ENTRANCE to Drangleic as another separate realm of reality be situated in Lordran (because as we know, in the beginning of DS2 they tell us that everyone of the "outside world" comes to Drangleic in hope to cure the curse or find a way to understand it's nature at least).