Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-10167444-20130604182628/@comment-72.8.246.201-20131002060055

I don't trust either one of them. We know that Frampt just wants to use you like a rolled up newspaper in an oven and we can see what the abyss can do to people when Kaathe talked New londo and Oolicile into opening up themselves to the abyss.

Just on a brief side track is the abyss the same as the dark that will emerge once the first flame goes out or are they different things. I can see vague lines connecting Frampt/Kaathe and the other serpents to the everlasting dragons+ in their hopes to return the world to its previous form before the disparity from the flame if the abyss and the dark are one and the same.

+ I do believe that these serpent are descendents of the everlasting dragons if you pair the description of imperfect dragons are serpents from the serpent ring as well as the reference to gluttony and Frampt's indescretion for eating things.