Talk:Dragonslayer Spear (Dark Souls II)/@comment-24701196-20140407003107/@comment-24786910-20140429231011

Even though Ornstein an Smough could have been illusions, there is no way of knowing considering we can't get to Gwynevere before them and also the Silver Knights, Giant Blacksmith, and Painting Guardian are not illusions. As for the Abyss corrupting Ornstein, is doesn't seem likely as one, he doesn't seem to be insane like Artorias and the corrupted, like Kegan said. In my opinion, it is someone who trained under or leaned himself how to attack like Ornstein and when the Chosen Undead killed Ornstein, he took the armor, spear, and ring, meaning the Chosen Undead killed Smough last.