Talk:Furtive Pygmy/@comment-24263148-20131113223029/@comment-6003396-20131114024554

I think The Dark and The Abyss are different, one reason is: in the intro, it states that "from the Dark they came", "they" meaning the lords and it wouldn't really make sense that the Abyss predates the Lords.

Hawkeye Gough seems to be the only one to use the terms interchangeably: "If thine wish is to succeed poor Artorias, and challenge the spread of the Dark, then thou must face Manus, Father of the Abyss. The Dark emanates from Manus himself. Even if this land shall expire, though may be able to prevent further corrosion... But even so, one day the flames will fade, and only Dark will remain."

He could just be speaking metaphorically and drawing parallels between the two, but this is an area of lore that has always been a bit murky to me.