Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-172.56.9.225-20140731112048/@comment-16047389-20140804220932

Luckystarz103 wrote: Dark Jeto wrote: I'm not sure if the Curse even affects the gods. They didn't come from the Dark like Humans did. Gwyn is hollow when we fight him, and (i think) Vendrick was originally normal height but he grew since he absorbed some great souls, so he would have come "from the dark", and even Havel might have been locked away because even he hollowed since no one is above the curse. again, in the first cutscene we see many hollows find souls in the First Flame, so it could be that hollow is their natural state. Gwyn is different in that he actually sacrificed his soul to kindle the First Flame. That may not be hollowing, but rather the remains of him after burning in the Kiln for so long. Vendrick was human, it makes sense for him to go hollow. And there really isn't proof that Havel wasn't human. We know that there was god/human interaction even before the fall of Lordran. Pharis is proof of this concept.