Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-25173123-20140924083448/@comment-3492791-20140927185920

You can zoom in a bow without drawing it until your character model is no longer visible because the reticle is not your character model, you can back the camera up against a wall and use the prostration gesture to have your character drop out of the frame (or even proper bow if you can angle it correctly), there are several cut scenes in the game where your character is not visible, when you die there is a brief moment where your character is no longer visible (and an even briefer one before the screen de-saturates), and yes placing an object between you and the camera does count because you are no longer visible.

I added the note about first person to try to make the trivia relevant. I realized that it isn't just an explanation of what the item does, it's a repetition of what the item does, as the purpose and function of the binoculars are already explained in the General Information section. It also wasn't actually true either as you are not actually put in first person. The third person camera just moves very close to your right shoulder, similar how bows move the camera to the right of your head. This can be observed by using sufficiently bulky armor such as the Symbol of Avarice.

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