Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130119213241/@comment-24189947-20131120110131

Hereticalthoughts wrote:

Not trying to be antagonistic, just providing a counter argument. That is perfectly fine! This is, after all, the way opinions are exchanged! I present mine and then someone states his own.

Gwyn was a magnificent father, now wasn’t he? He has lost 1 kid, his Firstborn, whom he banished for some unknown act, his last child is a disfigured monstrosity… and only his precious daughter, the Princess of Sunlight, remains unscarred. By the moment Chosen Undead makes his way into her chambers – she is long gone and had been replaced by an illusion instead. IMO – the moment Gwyn sacrificed himself for the sake of his daughter and other gods – they have all fled, possibly to seek shelter or simply to escape, so…

1) About Seath’s experiments – even the fire keeper in Anor Londo is aware of them and the gate is sealed by golden fog – something surely done by Gwyn. If we take into consideration the fact that giants/gods have some kind of grudge towards humankind – I think none of them would even find Seath’s deeds to be anywhere near monstrous… humans are monsters themselves after all, according to them…

 2) I believe Gwyndolin’s will to be broken since his birth. While he is related to the Moon, his actual title is Dark Sun, for there is no other star in the sky – how would anyone even dare to dispute the Sun? He follows his father’s orders without hesitation and is left alone to cover the retreat of other deities, with handful of followers who keep themselves secret from the outsiders…  The moment when he reveals himself to the player upon death of illusionary Gwynevere, when everything goes dark, is interpreted by players to testify the fact that Sun has abandoned Anor Londo. But what if it is simply night? Moon can only be seen during the night, just as Gwyndolin reveals himself in darkness. The flow of time in Lordran is dispersed, could it be that Anor Londo got stuck in the night phase because there was no Sun, but Moon instead..? He seems like another victim to me…

 3) Yes, Priscilla had a truly terrifying power at her disposal, but unlike the good gods of Sunlight – she behaves defensively, asking the Chosen Undead to leave her be, while deities attack you upon sight – both Nito and Gwyndolin, for they would not tolerate any kind of interference. But c’mon… Gwyn allowed Seath to continue to exist and I really doubt that someone could consider poor crossbreed to be far more dangerous than an actual ancient dragon. My guess would be that Velka took her in to protect her… but still – cruel fate no less.

4) The deities are gone… where could they have gone to? In Dark Souls 2 Merchant Hag Melentia tells us about giants that had crossed the sea long ago… Could it possibly be the gods of Anor Londo? Seems plausible to me. According to item and spell description – people of Drangleic have no idea about the origin of Lightning Spear other than it being some kind of an old miracle, or Pyromancy, but they know about the Princess of Sunlight. My guess would be that these giants indeed are the ones who escaped from Lordran and it seems that they have brought the curse along with them… Even human effigy is described as something unusual, as if it has been only recently discovered.

5) I believe furtive pygmy to be a sage / martyr of sorts… While Nito, Which and Gwyn had claimed the power of Lord Souls for themselves – pygmy has shared what he had found… and it his Dark Soul, humanity, which feeds the flame and thanks to him – it is humans, who can continue to feed it. But in order for the Flame to be restored, IMO, all the power taken by the Primordial Lords must be returned to the flame and since sacrifice of Chosen Undead and linking of the flame seems to be futile… it looks like Gwyn had split his soul in more pieces… possibly Gwynevere and others still possess them… I do not believe either serpent... we know nothing of pygmy - he was forgotten. Honestly I do not believe either serpent... For all I care - they could fabricate the legend, because why are BOTH Kaathe and Frampt present during the Dark Lord ending? Shouldn't Frampt flee and worn the remaining gods of the Dark Lord's coming...?

