Talk:Furtive Pygmy/@comment-15064205-20130810064956/@comment-16047389-20130924131749

But only four people could have known at the time: Elizabeth, Gough, Carim, and maybe Marvelous Chester. Elizabeth said she'd keep it a secret, and Gough and Carim probably perpetuated the myth that Artorias killed Manus in order to hide the fact that he was corrupted by the Abyss. Remember that the history everyone is taught is that Artorias gave his life to defeat Manus.