Talk:Pyromancy Flame/@comment-193.1.104.14-20140821075419

Can't say pyro is a worthwhile PvP endeavour. I've fought against pyro builds 100's of times and lost maybe twice through my own stupidity. Apart from combustion the other spells are just too slow and creates serious openings even against high dex pyro builds, I've simply never had difficulty rolling or even stepping out of the way just like pre Artorias magic builds. I'm currently trying to master Pyro for a new experience but I'd still say its not a great PvP option, there are simply way too many better builds for PvP.

PvE however, this is a seriously great option, 100% yes, while it may be difficult to land hits in PvP its not the case against most PvE enemies, many of which are weak to fire including bosses so this zero stat weapon is such an amazing weapon to carry and causes huge damage to tricky bosses while allowing a bit of range too. Plenty of other great pyro spells too like flash sweat and power within, some toxic and acid options, pyro really does offers great PvE tools.

Ironically but not surprisingly, in the great swamp of blight town where Quelana upgrades pyro flame to its strongest ascended form and sells the most powerful pyro spells, is ironically where fire is least effective lol.. and causes no damage at all to Quelaag which I found out with horror while playing at a very low level haven invested heavily in a highly upgraded pyro flame, no other decent weapon and with no bonfire warp at the time of course lol. This is not surprising on reflection given she is the "Chaos Witch" and everything about her and her attacks is around the fire theme, she swings a chaos sword, shoots Lava and resides on the verge of an area dropping down deeper and deeper into magma covered areas featuring fire deamons and more flame spitting enemies so I can dare assume that my pyro will be useless against these enemies and bosses (better enchant lightning to a halberd fast then lol)