Board Thread:Lore Discussion/@comment-5632187-20130119213241/@comment-91.248.32.155-20161027222807

Ornstein, the Old Dragonslayer and the Dragonslayer's Armor

I think I mentioned this a few times, but since I'm already here, why not add it? I think I have a theory on how these dudes are connected.

First, Ornstein. I think we thought an illusion in Anor Londo. Probably created by the power of his ring, which he left behind. Proof being *spolier, obviously* his armor in the Dragon Peak, yet his ring in Irithyll. We know Gwyndolin's illusion can be quite corporeal, and it also has interesting implications regarding his strength... The Four Knights are described to be formidable, yet a normal, only slightly more ambitious undead trots along beating ornstein AND the Executioner? No, I think ANY of the Four Knights would have easily kicked our backsides before we had amassed sufficient lordsouls. In-game, Arty was not himself and severely wounded. Gough, the sharpshooter, was blind. Ciaran excels in surprise attacks, and frankly, we got the drop on HER. And Ornstein? Being an illusion would fit the theme of him being handicapped, so to say. No, we could have never defeated the real dude. but he left for the Peak, only Smough stayed behind. Dutiful squire...

Second, the Old Dragonslayer. I think this dude is also quite close to an illusion. More like a mirage, drawn from the Chasm of Old to serve as a challenge to Apostles of Blue. okay, I'm not sure on why he's there. It just makes the most sense to me him being a test, as Targray doesn't seem to be worried about him being there. With the chasm of Old being his origins, it would explain his dark powers and why he dons dark armor, just like the dark Havel dude in the chasm itself. Note how darkdiver grandahl has a certain chime that has surprising use for a Blue Sentinel's WoG, but is rather useless for Grandahl himself. Maybe targray dropped it in the chasm when he summoned the old Dragonslayer? Just a theory. Oh, and the Old Dragonslayer ring is a copy, of course. That's why we see the original "polished" Dragonslayer Ring in DS3. However, unlike Ornstein's illusion, the Old Dragonslayer seems to be even more physical...

Dragonslayer's Armor. Now, this one puzzles me still, but its presence makes sense under certain... compromises. Firstly, I don't think this was Ornstein's armor. Big O's armor was golden. There is just no way it would turn grey like this without suffering heavy damage, rendering it useless. Just look at it, it appears scorched, but brass and the likes would retain some shimmer of gold even when burned. Pure gold would probably just melt away. But Ornstein's, the DRAGONslayer's armor would probably be at least mediocre at fending off fire stains. Plus, Ornstein took his original armor with him to the Peak. We don't know if he actually had multiple sets of armor. It's possible, but we don't know. No, I think these are the remains of the previous Old Dragonslayer. We can't loot his armor, so it probably was left behind. The chaos butterflies (chaos being connected to life-giving) just patched it up, deforming it a bit in the process, and gave it a RANDOM lightning-imbuedd greataxe. Yup, a RANDOM one. Nowhere does it say Ornstein or the Old dude used a greataxe. it was always a spear. I think that Dragonslayer's part refers to the armor, not the person it used to wear. And it explains why the armor can use lightning, despite being dark and probably drawn from the chasm. Note how it cannot initiate lightning by itself, but has to rely on the weapon art.

Okay, that wraps it up. Like I said, it's just a theory, as with pretty much everything in the souls loreverse. I think it makes somewhat sense, but feel free to disagree! And feel even more free to AGREE! ;P